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Shadows of World War III
A Filmmaker’s Warning on Global Conflict
Filmmaker, economist, and former Washington D.C. insider James Patrick paints a grim picture of current geopolitical events, arguing that World War III has already begun. In a revealing discussion with host Robert Cibis, Patrick asserts that the world is being pushed into cataclysmic conflicts by disconnected elites and oligarchs who prioritize global control over the interests of everyday citizens.
Patrick characterizes the war in Ukraine as an unwinnable conflict for Kyiv, one that is merely sacrificing Ukrainian lives while serving Western geopolitical aims. He argues that Western powers have been intervening in Ukraine for over a decade, tracing the current escalation back to the 2014 Euromaidan protests. According to Patrick, these events utilized “Gladio-style” false flag tactics—where atrocities and sniper fire were used to manipulate public sympathy and justify overthrowing the government. He warns that supporting this war is fundamentally against European interests, yet politicians blindly continue to fuel it.
One of the most striking revelations in Patrick’s upcoming documentary stems from his interviews with three retired German generals. These military veterans view the aggressive posture toward Russia as a “suicide mission” and argue it contradicts Western Europe’s strategic interests. Both Patrick and Cibis highlight a shocking absence of diplomacy; over the last three years, Western European governments have made zero diplomatic efforts to negotiate with Russia. Instead, nations like Germany have severed access to cheap Russian gas—the very foundation of their industrial economy—resulting in skyrocketing prices and a declining standard of living for their citizens.
The conflict is not limited to Eastern Europe. Patrick points to the Middle East as another volatile theater, noting that Israel is aggressively engaging multiple neighboring countries, including Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. He expresses deep concern that these actions, driven by Messianic and geopolitical ambitions, could easily drag the United States into a direct war with Iran. Because of existing alliances, this could immediately trigger a broader confrontation involving Russia and China.
At the core of these engineered crises is what Patrick views as the cyclical decline of Western civilization, with economic and political power naturally shifting toward Asia. He scathingly describes modern Western leaders as mere “actors” who read scripts and sign thousand-page bills drafted by industry insiders. As public faith in government collapses, Patrick warns that oligarchs are using the chaos of war to usher in a new geopolitical order, prototyping digital IDs and Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) as tools for population control.
Despite the bleak geopolitical landscape, Patrick concludes with an urgent plea for personal resilience. He advises people to stay positive and not allow manufactured political divisions to destroy relationships. As societies face intentional destabilization, Patrick insists that maintaining strong bonds with family and friends is the ultimate defense against the madness of global politics.
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Robert CibisHello, my name is Robert Cibis. I'm very proud and very pleased to be here with James Patrick. He's a filmmaker and an economist, and he is an insider into global politics. And he grew up in DC and knew important people and till today he's thinking about it, meeting people about it. He's known for the series called Planet Lockdown. And, a lot of people we also met, over the media and we should stress This Planet down is on our website w w w that oval dot media. This is also where you can see this discussion. If you just see a chunk of it, everything is always on that website and be done. Now for other platforms that might not be that supportive, that they always keep our content.
And yes. And today we have and I would say a current affairs discussion, but with a broader scope, because we just talk about the Third World War, which we observe starting around the globe, and we go beyond this because we go into the mindset of the people who, you know, might be the perpetrators, who might be the victims. And, and to see you know, maybe how we can cope with this. So as a good doctor, we make a diagnosis first. And the good things, is that James is not just an expert, but he is also making a film about this topic. And he already met a long list of generals who spoke out and said, the kind of politics is against common sense.
I should add something which is, you know, really why I'm so confident saying that word. Will three already started? It is. James researched the topic of cause of the current tension, but also the Covid crisis. With kind of lockdown, which I just mentioned, and I did the same and we both said, you know, we have to describe the war which is happening right now, and we both call it World War three, and he will do a feature film. I, I'm about to, produce and co‐direct series which shows the various aspects of this war, which has all facets of life being instrumentalized. Yeah. In this conflict.
James PatrickNow, I'm really grateful you're doing a kind of breakdown of the different topics related to the World War three scenario. So I'm really making just a feature 90 minute film on it and releasing the 20 plus interviews as a part of that, just for people to get a little.
Robert CibisAnd where can they find it?
James PatrickIt's a World War three Army documentary account. Let's see what War three documentary. Yeah. Dot com. And then, and also big picture dot watch. There's some links to that. But but yeah. So you're doing a deeper dive into the machinations of the different topics and my enjoy, 90 minute film and then releasing all the interviews. So I appreciate you know, we're, we're like, mind stilling doing the same work and I really appreciate what you're doing. And, you know, have they have we, there's, another person in your, you know, doing the hard work. And because it's it's an unforgiving task.
Robert CibisMaybe you can start just telling about these generals because I think it's amazing because my cliche is, of course, the opposite, because generals, you know, they are masters of war. So to think in times of war and politicians are masters of diplomacy, so to think in terms of negotiations. So why would a general say we need diplomacy and a politician say we need a war machine?
James PatrickYou know, it's really crazy. Is that. Yeah. No. Well, yeah, I did. I grew up in Washington and from, from, high level family or, you know, prosperous family and, and I think it's, so I grew up around all these actors, you know, my, my family was involved with, with, with politics there things. But it's but it's like I grew up around these things.
Robert CibisWho did you me tell? Give us some names.
James PatrickWell, I mean, different politicians and and intelligence people, our family, friends. You know, the the, you know, you see some you have some family friend, they're like, oh, you know, I'm not CIA. But then they're like, yeah. Then they show up in these hotspot countries and, you know, and there's some coup or something. They're like, oh, this guy is there. But his resume doesn't match. What the fuck? He was there to be there for that reason. So just just over the years, you know, I got an understanding of of how these things work.
Robert CibisAnd this, this is proof of you being a DC insider because you just didn't give the names. This is what you do if you are in the intelligence family, you just, pay attention, just pay attention. Because, you know, sometimes, you might be wrong, sometimes it might hurt somebody or it might might, you know, come back to you. So but still used as a way of saying things.
James PatrickSo the intelligence people kind of say in their own realm, they tell each other things. But when you're not and they don't like, tell you those things. So but I mean, when, you know, intelligence people, you kind of over the years, you know, they're doing that because it's suspicious the stuff they're doing.
Robert CibisYou know, I mean, you just mentioned you can see sometimes in couriers or in the CVS.
James PatrickIf someone's like, doing things, if there is, their, resume doesn't match a normal person's resume, right? If they're like, oh, I was, you know, like a normal person thing, they, they get involved with one kind of business and then they're, they're, they work their way up and then, you know, but if someone's, like, jumping around in different industries that don't make any sense, if the resume doesn't make any sense that the the job hiring, you know, the HR people would hire these people to do, then, you know, they're a spook. And if they're like, always in hotspot country and they're showing up in all these places where there's CIA back revolutions, you know, that these.
Robert CibisGuys, are there any other indicators you can give us as a hand over now, or whether a person has maybe a made up CV like.
James PatrickWell, the second thing doesn't make any sense.
Robert CibisIf it's like this is if the if it's other sometimes organizers or just right worked with military or so does this also happen or.
James PatrickWell they're they had a marine background. And then if they're in if their resume doesn't make logical sense, like people wouldn't hire them to do those things.
Robert CibisRight.
James PatrickSo if there's a guy who's an executive at a telecom company and then he's working in, I don't know, some hydrological dam company, and then another thing, but always in hotspot countries for us is overthrowing the governments. Then that's suspicious.
Robert CibisOkay. I assume.
James PatrickYou know, then it's like, why the hell is this guy over here in there? Yeah.
Robert CibisYeah. And so, I mean, in my introduction, I was referring to World War three. So, as I was saying, like, it's obvious, didn't it start? Would you really say this? I mean, maybe I just had too much.
James PatrickDid I know I would argue World War three has already started. I mean, Foreign Minister of Russia, Lavrov said 2 or 3 months ago that the World War three has started. I think I think the, the Western European countries are taking a very aggressive position against, against Russia. I'm not a Russian, propagandists or in any way in favor of, of, an advocate of Putin or his government or like, a mouthpiece for him. I'm not against him, but I'm not for him. You know, I'm a neutral journalist on the subject, but, I think the Russians have been, you know, while the invasion of Ukraine was was a bit rash and unwarranted, I do see that it was within the context of 11 years of coups and and intervention in Ukraine. I did receive Ukraine, I think, in 2016, and 17 or 17, 18 twice, and did visit the site of the maiden.
And it was I've always been very interested in these, false flag, operations. Gladio. You know, when I was in high school, my mom was a New York Times journalist. And when I was in high school, this, journalist for ask of en route, a friend of my mom, she hired me to look up Gladio terrorists and and, in the G.W. and George Washington and, Georgetown University databases. So I got an early introduction to then high school and this radical thing. And then later on in college, you kind of read up on the Guardian operations. They were these these, stay behind Army kind of false flag terrorists. They're basically these in the, in, in the Nazi period. They, they set up these, units in Western European countries.
They said if the Soviets invade, we'll have, stay behind, per non‐official office or paramilitary operations to wage a guerrilla war against the Russians when they invade Western Europe. And then the CIA after the war, when they took over Germany and they said, okay, I think, James Jesus Angleton, another type spymasters are like, let's keep this in place. Let's keep these operations in place. And then later in the mid 50s, and really in the 60s, they started to activate them. But but quite early on, I mean, I think they were there was like five assassination attempts on Charles de Gaulle in the 50s. And, de Gaulle really, told NATO to get the fuck out of, Paris.
I mean, so NATO moved from Paris to, to Brussels because of the assassination attempts of the US against the guy.
Robert CibisKnow that? Yeah.
James PatrickThere's shooting attempts on some cars and bombings, and he just really had enough of the Americans did. So. So it's it's this kind of underhanded use of terrorism and, manipulating the public opinion through these, these sort of theatrical, dramatic events and these, these things have continued through to the fall of the Soviet Union. And then afterwards, into what they've called Gladio two or FBI documents call them Gladio two. In the more the, in, in terms of Arab terrorism or domestic terrorism or.
Robert CibisAnd so there's also refers to Ukraine.
James Patrick Yeah. The Ukraine issue, I think. Anyway, so now there's this role for really a world war and, I think we need to be cautious that this will this is a beneficial thing for our society. I mean.
Robert CibisWhy, do you think we are in World War three?
James PatrickWell. I because World War three. And. Yeah, it's kind of an icon of kind of funny thing to say, like war in World War three, but it's, it's it's really a serious thing. I mean, now now the West is addressing Russia, of antagonizing Russia over the Ukraine and in Ukraine in 2014, there was this euro minded, an affair where, where, the West put a lot of pressure on Ukraine to, to join the EU that, the, the more, Russian sympathetic kind of President Yanukovych and the US basically egged on these, these, these right wing parties, to, to shoot people in the Maidan square. They shot like, I think 5 to 10 in January, February 20th, 2015. And then really by March, the US diplomat said, now we need 100 dead to shift public opinion. And that was. And then there was this shooting that killed about 60. But they kind of ginned up the numbers to say it was 100 and then but I mean, now this is all resting really on this 2014 Maidan affair.
There was an earlier 22,004, coup that the source was promoting and kind of Soros and CIA were promoting this 2014 incident. And, I interviewed, Ivan, Kaczynski in Ottawa about this. He wrote this really definitive thesis, on the whole, Euromaidan affair. Oh.
Robert CibisThat's interesting.
James PatrickYeah, very, very expert work. And, Patrick Babb, who I just interviewed, he he talks about how there is a, you know, eight, sniper teams. But anyway, it's this kind of Gladio style. You committed an atrocity, you shoot people, you kill people, and, in a common area, and then you you you galvanize them to, to be sympathetic, to engage in, in a coup and a war. And it shifted political opinion. So the ground operations were typically done in the West around elections. So we just before an election, you know, back in the in the Cold War period, they, they, they pretend they were leftist groups. You know, before, if there were the Communist Party was going to take power, they would, they would, they would do an atrocity just before the election to make sure the leftist party was not that, and they'd hire these kind of like, like, fascist kind of, kind of fascist, you know, people that were willing to shoot people, you know.
Yeah. So it's very similar in Ukraine. You know, you have this this, I mean, really a lot of the leadership in, in, Ukraine is, is Jewish and pro‐Israeli and stuff like that, but they're but they've kind of funded these Nazi parties, these weird 20 different Nazi parties. There's three main ones. Yeah. So it's it's kind of weird, weird confluence of interests. But but they've got all these right wing parties, to, to basically propagate these, this killing in the Maidan square. And that's been used as the rationalization to then overthrow the government and then put it in this Western backed government. And then so says Zelensky, I visited Ukraine, like during Zelensky's, election. And I watched his YouTube on YouTube, his, show that that he did, several of the people.
So he was run he was run as the president on a TV show and then then actually installed as the president in reality.
Robert CibisIsn't that crazy? Yeah. I mean, I'm diverting maybe a bit too much, but do you think that it was decided that he should maybe become president before he started the TV show?
James PatrickYeah, it looks like a big theater show.
Robert CibisYeah.
James PatrickAnd I think it's like that in all the Western countries.
Robert CibisAnd so let's go to the main question. Why World War three is it just isn't. It's more than just one country. If there's one Ukraine.
James PatrickWell, I think there's there's kind of a NASCAR's eschatological drive toward towards a world conflict. And this will not benefit any of us.
Robert Cibis And why? I mean, on the other hand, yes, I mean, to make a TV series, obviously is theater in a way. But it's real war. Would you describe that? Real war was really people dying. And there's.
James PatrickReal people. There's real factions. It's real divisions on the ground. There's real, ethnic partizan, you know, divisions. Ukraine, you know, in the in the east is very Russian. It was previously Russia before and and then the West. It's, it's, you know, it was previously in the Habsburg Empire and they're more western, but I mean, these, these, these conflicts get ginned up and aggravated through the funding of these militant parties and then and then and but it but it looks like the Ukraine conflict is being used to create, a broader conflict between Western Europe and Russia. And this will not benefit Western Europe nor Russia. Everyone's going to lose the the common person is going to lose. It really reminds me of the growing statement of the Nuremberg trials, where he's, you know, Goering, you know, before they executed him. But the cyanide thing, he says, like, look, you know, the common man in any country doesn't want war, you know?
But but, they can be easily, you know, driven to war by telling them, look, your attacks and then here's the enemy. And then, you know, you got to go to war. But it's like everyone gets screwed. I mean, everyone loses. No one wins in war except for a few oligarchs and the the make the money in, in the arms and banking and but this is really a scam, and we shouldn't fall for this again. I mean, we have these catastrophic wars and war. One more or two. They destroyed the mainline powers of Europe. They they're reshaped the political landscape. They brought in, like untold tragedy and suffering and death and and, you know, particularly Germany and Russia and Ukraine lost, tremendously over that war. So I think, I think the Ukrainians and the Germans and the Russians are all in a common place.
Robert CibisSo why is this happening again?
James PatrickWell, I mean, yeah, if somebody wants to kill a lot of people, I mean, that's why,
Robert CibisSo you you see this war in Ukraine as part of a bigger plan to kill many people?
James PatrickBasically. Yeah.
Robert CibisWhat? Well, do you have any proof for it? It sounds for me, in a way.
James PatrickIt's like, you know, the in politics, you look at what's the result, what's what happens on the ground as a result of the policy. You know, because these idiots in, in government, they'll tell you all kinds of stupid stories. We did this for this reason or that reason. We're here to help you. They don't give a shit about you. I mean, really, what's the results on the ground is what was the purpose of the policy. That's generally what you can do is say, look, what were the results of the policy? And that was the agenda. That's why it was done. Now with not the rationalizations. They told you why it was done, you know.
Robert CibisSo if I understand you correctly, the theater in Ukraine, which is a real war, but, you know, and a lot of stories are told around this real war is in fact, kind of I would say, way to deviate the attention from the aim of murdering.
James PatrickWell, I think it's probably two things. It's probably the, the, the, the result is they're they're killing a lot of Ukrainians. So all these people, they put these Ukrainian flags in front of their house, they're supporting the West, giving arms to Ukraine. Right? Yes. To propagate a war against Russia. Yes. But let's be clear. I mean, Ukraine is, infinitely smaller countries in Russia. You would never win a war against Russia militarily. Logistically it's impossible. So so just to support a war against given given the context of the background that threw us an intervention over the last 11, 12 years and more really that that overthrowing the government of Ukraine, promoting a hostile government in Ukraine, that that is right. And the underbelly, I mean, it's like it's like if, it's like if Russia, you know, overthrew the government in Mexico and is like, we're going to put a bunch of missiles right on the border of Mexico to, to shoot in America, you know, and then you're like, okay, well, we're just cool with that.
We're not gonna, you know, the U.S. would intervene to stop that, you know? So so the leader I think that the policy going on in Ukraine now supporting this war, it's an unwinnable war. They basically lost the thing. I was shocked, the whole thing would even go more than a few months, you know, in friends of mine there. Right.
Robert CibisSo what does it mean if you have this flag in you in the window.
James PatrickThat it's that you're really supporting the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, that that's killing Ukrainians and it's hurting the Ukrainian people. So you're not helping Ukrainians by by showing support for the German government, the American government, the French government sending arms to Ukraine to win an unwinnable war, to support a corrupt government that doesn't have the best interests of of the Ukrainian people at heart. And that's, that's that's sick. It's sick. It's sick to kill all of these people. Sick, too. I mean, the country used to have 50 million people. Now it's like probably less than 15 million people in Ukraine. The place is cleared out. You know.
Robert CibisAnd what did the generals you met tell about this?
James PatrickYeah. So now I'm here in Germany interviewing three top generals from retired generals in Germany who who were speaking from their experience, their common sense to say the, the, the. This doesn't make sense. And this is not in, in German interests or Western European interests. And they've really said that that this is this is a suicide mission that we should not, get into, a war with Russia. I think they're serious. The media now is just saying that the war against Russia is the best thing we could ever do with that. It's inevitable that they're going to attack us. But but really, politically, in the last three years, not one Western European government has made one effort, one letter phone call, anything to Russia to to have any diplomatic solution to this conflict.
And in you know, for this interview and I've grown up around ambassadors and I mean, it's better to talk through your problems than to fight, right? We all know that in our personal relationships, say, you can stay angry and fight all you want, but this it still has to be dealt with. You still have to talk it over tomorrow or the next day or whatever. So the same thing goes with, with diplomacy and, and there's zero diplomacy between Western Europe and Russia. And that's crazy. You know, Russia is a massive country. It goes from all of the border, basically. I mean, Belarus is, you know, I contribute all the way to all the way to to China. I mean, because the, the border, you know, the coast of Japan near Japan.
So this is this is the largest country on Earth. And it's the it's the natural trading partner of Germany. I mean, Germany was buying its gas from, from Russia. And and this is the whole basis of the German economy was, was based on the gas from Russia. So, so making war with Russia, antagonizing positions with Russia is against German interests. It's against European interests. And now now the European Union countries are shooting themselves in the foot. They're they're going into this, this green policies, eco policies, not wanting to buy German gas. And it's, it's it's going we're seeing higher and higher prices. People are getting poorer and poorer. The standard of living is dropping. I mean, governments in the West are not in a and I think more broadly around the world, but are not forwarding their their national interests in the interests of their people.
Robert CibisA lot of people who think that the big winner and this are the United States. So how is it for people in the United States?
James PatrickI think it's true that the United States government is the the main machine or actor forwarding the problems in the world? I would, I would, I would agree with you on that.
Robert CibisI didn't say it.
James PatrickNow I know, but I would, I would, I would say that and then but our government is, is held captive of the same global interests of oligarchs and, and elites that that don't have our interests at heart. They're looking they're looking out for their own interests. So so we're really in a strange position now where the American government is in helping the American people. The German government is, and helping the German people. The Italian government is inverting the Italian people's interest. So we're really seeing a breakdown in, in, the concept of government, the concept of belief and faith in the government. And my concern is that I think it will collapse, that we're headed towards a breakdown in belief in the state and the belief in the because they're totally destroying our faith in what they're doing.
So so it will it will eventually collapse. So I think we need to be prudent and vigilant because when that happens, these assholes may have a even worse proposition for the next form of government, it seems.
Robert CibisI think so the scenario fathom is that we are heading towards.
James PatrickAnd the war is a great way to precipitate that kind of situation.
Robert CibisPopulation, which is angry against their own governments. Afraid of other governments and the atmosphere of tension and the overthrow which might or to collapse rather which might be if followed this further into this is in fact part of a plan because a new system might be established.
James PatrickI think that's clear. Yeah. That, there's a constant pressure being put on the political environment, the geopolitical environment and, and to, to, to bring us into a cataclysmic war and then a prolonged war, like or one World War two, 4 to 5 year war and and then at the end of that devastating conflict, there will be proposals to create some other geopolitical order and that that will especially not be in our interests. So that we need to be that critical of of what we're being sold now and, and really say this is absurd because, look, what is Germany, or America benefit or really Germany, let's say, talk about Russia. You guys should be buying your gas from Russia. You don't have to agree with that. They're great guys or agree with Putin's.
Are some guy, like, what does it matter? But you're buying the damn gas. The whole industrial framework of Germany is based on the price of that gas. The cost to buy it elsewhere is three times the cost. You guys are going to get even more power over that. That's ridiculous. So, yeah, you don't have to like a government to have an agreement with them, you know, like, I don't I don't have to be your friend to for us to do a deal, you know, or us to have a, you know, so let's, let's, let's be realistic diplomatically in the world. Right.
Robert CibisAnd, and, and I still am not completely satisfied about the word war, a narrative. So. Okay, why is it a World war?
James PatrickSo us is like, very, emotionally supporting Israel in its escapades.
Robert CibisMore than emotionally, isn't it? It's I mean, there's finance, it's irrational.
James PatrickIt's a little bit.
Robert CibisOh, you see, the motivation for the support is rather emotional.
James PatrickWell, it's rather of vested interests are.
Robert CibisI say.
James PatrickAre behind it, but it's it's not in the broader American interests. So, there's a lot of, rich donors and influential people that, that in a PAC itself that shape U.S. support for Israel, that interest since the last two years of these the Gaza affair are really, you know, it's rapidly declining. Public opinion is rapidly dropping. Recently, Israel's, proposed to 20 year, support contract that because they see that the public opinion dropping. So they're like, hey, let's get to 20.
Robert CibisTo whom did Israel propose.
James Patrick To us to have.
Robert CibisThe Congress?
James PatrickYeah, yeah, let's sign a 20 year deal because they see us public opinion dropping. So they they're worried they could they could get that later. So now they're like trying to get ink on the contract to get the money.
Robert CibisAnd this concerns the military support or financial.
James PatrickSupport economic support. But now Israel's invading I mean bombing many times six countries within a few days in the same time.
Robert CibisSo really, so many countries.
James PatrickYeah. I mean, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, I mean, it's on and on and on. So Iran, I mean, it's it's it's really they're they're they're kind of right wing is taking over and then, you know, who's facing this corruption trial. So he's kind of aligned with these, these more messianic groups said that they're being very aggressive. And so he's sort of fulfilling this Greater Israel prophecy. But that that makes enemies is everyone in the area. I mean, I mean, it's it's it's shocking how, how how subdued the Arab leaders. It just shows you how weak they are. I mean, there's really no Arab leadership in the whole area. The only one that was really opposing Israel at all was it was Assad. And through Turkey and the US, they overthrew Assad when the 12 Day War, they preemptively struck Iran, which is a very aggressive action.
And Iran has military and economic agreements with with, Russia, they sell 80% of their oil to China. And so very quickly, US backing Israel in a war with Iran can quickly tie us, the US, into a war with Iran and China because we're particularly, sorry, Russia and China because particularly, you know, it's it's it's very concerning. So in the US, public support for war with Iran is very low. It's extremely low. So Trump is in a very delicate situation backing Israel in with their continuing escalating operations with with their neighbors in Iran.
Robert CibisAnd this is what your film is about.
James PatrickThis is part of it. Yeah. And then also how also how these, how historically countries civilizations rise and fall and and how this is empires really rise and fall and there's like, a period where things are going, well, people are making money, they're doing well. And then, then then there's then there's the kind of oligarchs and the bureaucracy set in, and then there's corruption and nepotism and, and waste and then under kind of an economic decline. And then then the elites sort of like are looking for power or to keep control of it, and they start engaging in wars. So this happened with Athens and the Peloponnesian Wars, you know.
Robert CibisAnd what came after that?
James PatrickWell, Athens invaded Sicily. Nice to to get control of things to then have more power against Sparta. But the greatest opponents were like, look, we're doing well now. Why do we need to invade Sicily? You know, there's this what we're experiencing today with this current outbreak of a World War is, has, has tremendous historical parallels. And really, really, it's a part of this cyclical repetition of human arrogance and hubris. And the ancient Greeks called it the tragic cycle of of hubris that that you that the leaders basically are leaders of a country, get overcome with arrogance and then start to make irrational, like aggressive, aggressive actions, and then the gods and artists upon upon the leader to basically start to cloud his mind to encourage, kind of like demons taking over the person's mind and then encouraging them to make more and more irrational decisions.
Robert CibisI mean, this reminds me, I just read recently that Cara quickly, and he said that, if there's a new civilization starting, there's a huge push in Europe. Schnell. Analogy. You know, the world becomes irrational. People just become crazy. And he he he lists like ten different civilizations. Some of them lasted for a thousand years. And then, you know.
James Patrick There's a who's who saying that they're.
Robert CibisIrrational. Irrational. Yes. But why? The society becomes more irrational. And this is like a, indicator of it, falling apart. Yeah. And morphing into something new. And this phase of transition can be 50 years long, you know? Yeah. It's, longer.
James PatrickWait. There's kind of, like, cycles in life and in nature. Like. Like we get old, we're young, and then we get middle aged and we get old. Then we die. And these, like, cycles of behavior and life cycles and then these cycles of of civilizations, they they rise, they prosper, they get corrupt, and then they fall. And then the power and the economics move over to other places. So today we're really seeing the West had its heyday the last 200 years. And now it's like the money and the the economic power and political power moving to Asia, to China and South Asia. And now the West is in decline. And we're we're in the we're kind of in the like peak like this, this heavy period of decline in our elites are ridiculous.
They're retarded. I mean, these these people are idiots. Like like Starmer and Macron. Mertz. These they've they've like 6% public opinion. Nobody likes these people. They're total losers. And they're the total idiots. I mean, they have no, you can't have a, philosophical, reasoned conversation with them about history in the context of what they're doing. They're just it's really just paid to do, say whatever. I mean, it's really like, I don't know, sorry to use this language, but I mean, in Washington, I've been around these people and they're like a lot of politicians. They just they're just they're just like, people you hire to to talk on a movie set, you know? So it's like you talk to some of these, I've talked to some of them and they're like, you're like, hey, you know, I disagree with that.
Or have you ever thought about this policy, what it what it affects, but the average person and they just look at you like like, hey guys, like I was hired to show up on the set and read the script, and you're telling me that the movie's a stupid movie and, like what? Like, like, it's the most annoying thing to hear right now. I don't want to. It doesn't matter what the issue is like. I was just I'm an actor to show. And you're criticizing the movies.
Robert CibisThis is like the feeling you had was in conversation with real politicians.
James PatrickYeah, that's how they are. It's it's like, yeah, he couldn't give a shit what the hell they're reading. It's just it's unbelievable. I mean, and these bills, I mean, these bills are written by the industries. There's sometimes a thousand page bills. The politicians only read them. They get, they get given to the staff. They've put them in law. Sign them. I mean, no one even there's no debate in the in the Congressional Hall. Yeah. I mean, it's really unbelievable. It goes on. I mean, they're really unaware of what they're even doing.
Robert CibisIt's everywhere the same. This is what is so fascinating is, you know, you I, you can imagine that is a, you know, that some countries going bad because whatever because of a general development in that area or so. But it's everywhere. You know, in the 80s in Germany, you had wonderful debates in the parliament, right? You know, it was fun to listen to them because people really had a debate, you know, and sometimes and in the most beautiful moments, this debate wasn't between political parties, but it was a real debate where each person's talking about what he or she thought.
James PatrickBut it's harder and harder for real people to to become political representatives, to become congressmen and senators or presidents and to and to survive the process, to get in there that nobody cares about this very thing. It's it's like really the shittiest people go into that work. You know, I think I told my parents as a kid, I was like, oh, I'd like to be a congressman. And they told me, oh, James, like, look, that's not a respectable thing to do it. You shouldn't do that. So it's it's just like this very low quality people, they don't care. It's really not being representative. And this, this is an unsustainable trend and it necessarily will collapse and lead to something else. So I just want people, the public to be vigilant in that process that we that we we are there to forward our interests when that occurs and that we don't let these, these sneaky, slimy oligarchs push, push a system that would not be in our benefit.
And that's that. They'll be there. I mean, right now, I did a film on CBDCs and the origins of Bitcoin digital IDs. Yeah, there's been a big push recently for the digital IDs around the world. Summer. I think, you know, many countries, so many countries announced a digital ID program like 3 or 4 months ago. So this is a really pressing issue. I think there's a lot of different they're trying to get these oligarchs are trying to get it in the control system. The controllers and the the world war scenario is is a perfect crisis environment to then for these things. And the Ukrainian government has been completely corrupt. I mean, they've they've been prototyping all these creepy control things, digital IDs throughout the war, in a war environment in Ukraine, Ukrainian government, son digital lives.
I mean, I mean, they've done all these really scary things, you know, and it's like has nothing to do with their war effort and all of the other shit going on in there that they need to tend to. So it just it just goes to show you that, I think this, this, this Ukraine war, we should not support a continuation of the grain war. It's only killing more Ukrainians. Ukraine will lose this war. It's inevitable. It's not because I don't want Ukraine to win the Sarcos. I think Russia's great or the Putin's great or whatever. Zelensky's bad. I mean, this is this thing is inevitable. It's they will not win this war. You are supporting Ukraine. War will only lead to more deaths.
Ukraine's losing more territory by the day. It's very slow. What's going on? But, I think we need to think rationally. So in my interviews with General Korean, he outlined that that the, that that this is not a winnable war, that there's a real detachment of reality with the way the Western politicians and media are discussing this war. We should we you don't want to fund someone who's going to be a loser. And and they should get out now and strike a deal with Russia and preserve as much territory as they can. That's that would be the most rational solution. They would reduce the mass killing.
Robert CibisI mean, I spoke to, friend, German friend some days ago, and she told me, I don't feel we are in war. Well, what would you tell them? What would you tell them?
James PatrickYeah. We're not, we're not I mean, I mean, this a problem in the US, too. It's like we engage in all these foreign wars and then no one really feels it. So it's like. And we're very far away for anything right over in the US. But it's like we don't feel the wars, you know.
Robert CibisBut but I mean, is there a general tension rising in the US too?
James PatrickThe public opinion in the US is, is is is increasingly more anti‐war. I mean, it really Trump was elected on an anti‐war platform. Yeah. And he's really engaged in a lot of war since that. So now in Venezuela, which is really unwinnable to Caracas is in this valley. You can't get any planes in it. It's completely impenetrable. They can take over this coastal base, but they can't ever be a disaster. If we try to go into Caracas and then this Ukraine thing and then the Israel thing and then and then increasingly, what I'm hearing in Washington is that, okay, let's let's like tie up this Ukraine thing. Let's get the Europeans to take it on. They can kill themselves in Russia, and then the US is going to take on China, and then we're going to be increasingly aggressive towards China.
But that is just that is as stupid as the Germans trying to be enemies with the Russians. You guys need the gas. We need the Chinese. All of our products come from China. I mean, it's like it's ridiculous that we, we make make a conflict with China when they're numbered.
Robert CibisWhy would anyone want us playing?
James PatrickYou know, reflecting on that one, right? I don't know, I, I think it just seems like. Yeah, some people have a, have a conviction to start a World war.
Robert CibisWell, yeah. And do you think it's irrational or is it rational.
James PatrickIrrational.
Robert CibisReally. I, I, I'm not so sure of it, but I think it's, it's important to investigate. I think that, as you also mentioned, you know, some oligarchs are profiting from the war. And for some people, it's it's the rationale. I mean, even though it's inhuman.
James PatrickMoney making is rational, I guess.
Robert CibisI mean.
James PatrickBut why would you want to make the world a toilet, like, just screw it up?
Robert CibisBecause they say afterwards it's gonna be better, you know?
James PatrickRight. It'd be definitely worse. But maybe in someone's estimation, it would be better.
Robert CibisSo you think they are really crazy or they have some, you know, think it's really irrational? Like a rational belief system, which is at the top of it. I mean, honestly, I think sometimes, you know, rational stories are used by rational people. You know, as you just mentioned to you just said it. You said, you know, said that sometimes people make up stories and then they don't make sense. But what really is happening, you don't know?
James PatrickI mean, I think there are these weird eschatological, prophecies of a world war, of the war of Gog and Magog. A lot of Christian Zionists believe in this. And, there you break prophecies of a war, an all consuming war of East and West called the War of Magog. And so then that does seem to be congruent with what's taking shape with which is this, this war of these first where so and this thinking the Gog would be us in the EU and Magog would be Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, axis, and that were being played against one another to get into an all consuming war. And that Israel's a flashpoint. It's, the where it starts and the US support for Iran was very low. I mean, the average American has no interest in fighting Iranians. The hell do they have to do with America? You know, and Israel just seemed within Yahoo now seems very dead set on the war with them. That thing could break out at any moment, and then us will be drawn into that thing.
And then because of these alliances with, with Iran and, and and Russia and China. So yeah, there's a lot going on there. That's a long conversation.
Robert CibisBut yeah. So I mean, I just see, you know, you were quoting the Gladio operations and what became came after were words, which is has had a different names, but still is the same principle where you have a politics of tension, you have atrocities happening, and then the population is on a tangent. The tension also makes the population controllable. So one could think that even this,
James PatrickThis is a way to control public opinion, you know?
Robert CibisYeah, exactly. Frank, if you have like religion can also be a means of control. You know, you just in the air, you just force any religion narratives like the Muslim Brotherhood or, you know, the more extreme, religious movements, you just use them to create tension between the population, but you just want the, the them fighting so that you can be dominating. You know, it. That person who would do that, you know who do, who doesn't divide and conquer strategy.
James PatrickI mean, you're seeing religion as a tool to control people. I, I would say some people actually the people in the top believe it already.
Robert CibisThat's an.
James PatrickInteresting. They believe in the prophet. They believe in the fulfillment of these prophecies.
Robert CibisI think I would like to find this out. I would like to ask this.
James Patrick Just look at how it unfolds. And I read your evidence.
Robert CibisSo you think it's against their own interest? I mean, practically.
James PatrickIt's against our interests.
Robert CibisYeah, I was I know.
James PatrickI mean, I mean, I think everyone's interests. I think.
Robert CibisThe question is it's just people in.
James PatrickIsrael, the people are going to suffer.
Robert CibisLet's, let's just say the the richest people in the world who I, I assume have a lot of power because, you know, can buy a lot of them can buy an army, you can buy whatever. Yeah. They have so much power. Why doesn't the interest.
James PatrickLet's the subjective thing. You know, I kind of I'm, I'm, I'm come from the school of economics. They say like subject where you value at any one value is is subjective. Is that an objective value of this class of this table or bar of gold. It's whatever other people will trade for it. So we're not dealing in rational things like, you know, what will you or I think may be rational. So another person doesn't. So I think, it's we live in a world of subjective valuation. So you and I, I think think it's crazy the the good one conflict, war, people getting killed. I mean, this is insane.
Robert CibisI think there's a final point of our conversation. We just have to understand, is it also possible maybe that these are just psychopaths?
James PatrickIt's one way to put it, but then they're kind of not like, I have a background and also like, and investigations and understanding Criminal Minds and you can't put you can't judge things by the way you want to see it. It's the way the criminal sees it. It's the way the perpetrator sees it. It's it's so the people are driven subjectively by the way they see the world. So you can't judge them. You can judge them legally. They should be legally judged. For by natural law, I would hope. But are these shitty legal systems we have that aren't really just. But but I mean, like, you have to look at it from their point of view. If, if yeah, if you're dealing with a killer or, a problematic oligarch making a mess, you really need to put your put yourself in their shoes.
What motivates them? What is driving them? Why are they doing what they do? Why are they doing what they do? And I think when you do that, it frees you from from misinterpreting things. So it's not about what's what is justice? Why are they doing.
Robert CibisSo, so on. So as you think they have emotions and they are in this. So they're not outside.
James PatrickYeah. But they're seeing but they're seeing. They're seeing the killing and destruction of nations as a means towards of messianic ends, towards, towards the means of filled fulfillment of this prophecy. Or these are these vast commercial objectives, these vast controlling objectives.
Robert CibisYou have to believe, but belief also serves you because you get more control.
James PatrickLike things evangelical Christians, they always say the revelations, they're like, oh, they're going to put the chip in the right hand in the B system. I mean, that's what's happening. I think they're misinterpreting that. Or they're they were probably seeped into through again.
Robert CibisSo far it's you know.
James PatrickI would agree with, what they're saying. I would take a different interpretation at the over the religious history of how that was propagated. So that's the long hair. You could do a whole show on that. So whenever I have a lot of analysis on that, but I would just but we're definitely headed towards that kind of what they're calling is BS system or the the, the Christian Antichrist is really the very, messiah and that they're conflating the two to create sort of like this topic world order. But this is this is really crazy shit. If in my opinion, I mean, it's like these people are they're half crazy across the board. So I think we need to have sound our minds prevail and say, hey, look, we don't want to kill each other. We don't want to be, at war. We don't. We want to have prosperous society where we can have kids and and have peace.
And, you know, like, I mean, that's what everyone in the world wants, you know? So let's just make it happen.
Robert CibisWow. It seems as as it got derailed, as if society got derailed. And, and even as contradictory to what they say the belief system is saying, you know, when I think of Christianity, I think of, like, love and peace because this is what the image of Jesus is, you know, and but it's true that you can find in all narratives because also they're conflicting and they're complex, different ways of seeing. And also the certainly concerns the Muslim and the Jewish and whatever religion.
James PatrickBut it's like now, you know, there's this kind of quickening process where the narratives are getting quicker and quicker. You know, they think they feel it's like we need to get all this done right now, right away. And so it's so there's this kind of conflicting narratives going on. So I think the public is increasingly seeing the cracks in the narratives and saying, what the hell is going on here? This is really not making any sense. And, and like, this is a lot of what they were being told. And so I'm hopeful that that, that, that these sort of silly schemes won't work out is so crazy and so crackpot and so destructive. And I think, I think sounder minds will prevail and we won't. Hopefully we won't see a world war or, or, or the kind of destruction that, that, that may wish for.
So, but that's why it's important to talk about these dark topics and, and mischievous ideas because, yeah, it's definitely not a date night topic. You know, it's like first date night. So but it's, but it's important to, to air the dirty laundry and to kind of discuss these things. And so that they don't manifest, you know, because I think with the First and Second World War, it was really like a different time, you know, and people were, were patriotic to their countries. They're willing to serve their countries. They're willing to for their interests. They were quite margins at the time. Now our societies are less homogeneous. There's less, interest in, in fighting for the government of the country. If the people are more mixed up, they're not they don't have the same values. There's not a homogeneity in, in the religious, cultural thing.
It's like, I don't see how your, or us could fight a war, a world war with all these people, all these conscripting people. There's not the public opinion. They're the people. There's not this goodwill to the country.
Robert CibisEven with very brutal fights like their your type actions, maybe.
James PatrickWell, yeah, I think I'm suspicious this could happen any day, but I think that that there also there's just a lot more of discussion on these issues online. This a lot more people criticizing these things. The the information cycle is much quicker today. So the minute these things happen there's like 100 people, phone cameras everywhere. It's not like like, Douglas McGregor who I interviewed his a friend during the review of the film. He said, you know, these things are much better done at sea in a boat where there's nobody around. There's no one with cameras around you, just a military personnel on the boat. So I just don't see. So that's that's one concern I have with this Nimitz ship. They're around now. It's soon to be decommissioned. They might blow that one up.
Yes. See around it. Sort of on that. Yeah.
Robert CibisSo it could be a very nice.
James PatrickYeah. So we should be very vigilant about fast false flags because that's definitely in the pipeline. And I did I did read one story that is still trying to do one thing. Iran did it. Iran picked up on it from another intelligence service and called us and said, look, we didn't do this one, you know, don't get angry with us. So, yeah, I mean, definitely, you know, anyway, I don't want to confuse another.
Robert CibisNo. Let's see. I it's at least a very interesting times and we are on the verge of something. Yeah. You have the same forces than we had in the past, but the situation's still different. And, means of oppression can also be a means of emancipation. I think this is also what you said. When you say, look, information flow is faster. Yeah, they want to control it, but it's fast. You know, I can see them everywhere, everybody. And so reality can be documented much better than in the past.
James PatrickThe power is a political power is a fragile thing. If you push it too hard, people get angry and then it breaks. And it's we're always in these cycles, civilizational cycles. So even as oppressive as it seems today, it never works long term.
Robert CibisSo let's maybe just finish with this and say, look, things are breaking apart. It's sad for what is lost. But it's also an incredible opportunity to shape yourself. You know, each person can probably make more than, you know, growing system which has its own rules. And everything is stable now. Rules are changing. It's completely unstable. And, and it's also the forces are the harder to centralize at the same time because each of us kind of is on mindset. I thank you very much for this conversation. Do you want to add something to this?
James PatrickYeah. The I think the key is stay positive, you know, and all this negative crap we're talking about. And then and then just to really understand that, like, you know, all the, all this negative stuff and we're going into a negative, the, the tumultuous time, a time of destabilization and uncertainty. But, look, it's these little moments in life you have with your your wife, your kids, your girlfriend, your your, your loved ones, your friends, and the. No one can take that from you. And they should never let politics, get in the way of your own humanity over your relationships that they're really, we're all in the same boat. We want a peaceful life. We want a a happy life. We want a, you know, I have time with their family and friends and and share our experiences.
And the most important relationships are our family and our friends. And so it's like, don't ever let all this political bullshit get in the way of that. You know, no matter what you think this person disagree. You know, we're being told we should fight all the time. It's it's nonsense. Like we have the same interests. And so I think, and you can prosper also and intellectually at times. But yeah, it may be a good idea to buy some gold, you know, at this time.
Robert CibisThank you very much. Thank us. Thank you also to the audience. And please continue to go on our website and subscribe. Have a good day.
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